At one point in my career, over a decade ago, I was working with a company where we hired a high percentage of foreign born applicants based on the technical skill set they had. Many of the names of these applicants were extremely hard to enunciate. Most of the hiring managers I worked with would spell the names out or say “the guy that worked at…” A few would try and say the names and butcher them badly.
Internally, in our recruiting department, we would ‘joke’ about asking these candidates to change their name to something it was easier for the managers to say, ‘Joe’ or ‘Charlie’ for instance. Deep down we knew we had some managers who would be more willing to interview if the name came across as ‘Joe Vishay’ or ‘Charie Xjang’. The manager would assume that because the candidate ‘choose’ an American name they must have better English skills.
It’s racism at a strange level. You want to hire the person, but you feel because you can’t say their name, they must not be worthy.
Check out this video –
This Man Changed His Name From Jose To Joe And… by buzzfeedvideo
I know if I asked 100 HR and Talent Pros if they were ‘racist’, 100 would say they were not. But, at a certain level we are. We won’t interview Jose, but we’ll interview Joe. You won’t interview Marcus, but you’ll interview Mark. My hiring manager wouldn’t interview “Arjun” but he would interview “Al”.
How do you stop this?
Hire Jose and Marcus and Arjun to do the hiring. That’s a start, at least. Call out those hiring managers who continue to not want to interview qualified candidates because they can’t pronounce the name of the candidate. You know who they are.
Also, educate your hiring managers, and give them the phonetic spelling of the candidates name. Let your hiring managers know the pride they feel about their own surnames is shared by cultures all over the world. I’m proud to be a “Sackett”. I get asked almost monthly by someone if I’m related to the Louis L’amour ‘Sackett’s’, and rarely do I point out those were fictional books!
Take the names off all your resumes you send to managers, as a ‘test’, and replace the name with a code number. Did it make a difference in who they chose to interview? It’s a great inclusion exercise to have with your leadership team.
No one ever wants to admit they are racist. The truth sometimes is very sobering. This isn’t about blame, this is about fixing what’s wrong. Great leadership teams will understand this.
I’m 55 and unable to interview for developer jobs despite 25 years of experience, I am getting really, really tired of this industry’s attitude toward people like me.
Last year I had a personal referral for a developer position at JP Morgan Chase, They do not do hiring centrally. A very young person in the HR department spoke to me, and the second thing she said after saying ‘hello’, was ‘You are I overqualified for the position and could not be considered’.
So why you bothered calling in today?.. I said..lol
This exchange made me go back to memory lane regarding the Boeing Max software fiasco.
Code devrlop by newbies plagued by issues that made them ground the planes months longer after U.S. regulators reported flaws, that were developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.
Many accomplished engineers we’re replaced by subcontractors that relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace notably India.
Boeing’s cultivation of Indian companies is shared by most corporations in US, JP Morgan is one of them… AND have become very efficient lowering wages by getting rid of employees with schemes such as re- badging to new entities, with the sole purposed of circunventing the BROKEN US labor laws.
Similarly for age; I had to remove dates from college graduation (1985!) to get callbacks. Tho’ I sill disappoint in person (even with dyed hair!).
I believe that be focused in talent only may decrease the sense of discrimination. Find the right candidate for positions offered is hard enough to deal with bias.
Hiring for talent can help eliminate subconscious bias since job talent knows no; race, gender, age alma mater, etc.
It can be a constant struggle not to discriminate subconsciously. We’re hardwired in an evolutionary way to surround ourselves with similar people. This may have served us well thousands of years ago, but it only harms us – and our companies – now.