HR Influencer Lists! Good or Bad? #HRFamous

On episode 66 of The HR Famous Podcast, longtime HR leaders (and friends) Tim SackettKris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together to discuss the Top 100 HR Tech Influencers of 2021 and whether geriatric millennials are coming to save the world or not!

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Show Highlights

1:00 – JLee is in the D.C. metro area and is currently being overrun by cicadas!

3:00 – JLee, Tim, and KD were all named part of the top 100 HR Tech influencers of 2021! Our podcast has influence!

6:30 – Tim is getting reached out to by not-so-reputable HR tech companies to be on their “top 10 lists,” but he only wants to be on the robust, well-researched lists.

9:45 – JLee doesn’t know if any of the other hundreds of other HR employees at her company know about her being on this list. She asks the crew the question, “Does this event matter?” Tim thinks it’s great for the speaker bio.

15:00 – JLee hasn’t been on lists for awhile but she’s back since starting HR Famous and starting back on the conference circuit. She says that getting back out there has helped her open her eyes and see what else is going on in the world.

18:00 – KD says that he may not get more business from being on this list, but he’s at the company he’s at now because of being out there in the HR space. His last two career opportunities have come from being more active than normal in the HR space. He also considers the HR tech/HR Executive Magazine list to be the gold standard.

19:45 – An article has been going around JLee’s office about “geriatric millennials” and their eagerness to go into a world of hybrid work.

21:00 – What’s a geriatric millennial? They were not digital natives and remember a time before cell phones and other technological advancements. JLee is the resident geriatric millennial of the pod.

23:45 – Geriatric millennials have the ability to go between the online and offline world where older and younger generations may struggle at being online/offline. Also, they have had to learn how to adapt to different digital technologies quickly.

30:00 – KD calls BS on the concept that everyone in a generational slice is going to have impact in the world, noting that high performers throughout time in the 35-to-40 range are always “next up” in the world of work. But not everyone within a certain age group is going to save the world. There will always be high-potential earners in every group, and they’ll rise to create change.

Are Your Executives Addicted to Leadership Porn?

On episode 65 of The HR Famous Podcast, longtime HR leaders (and friends) Tim SackettKris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together to discuss electric vehicles, leadership porn, and ride-sharing companies ramping up signing bonuses for drivers due to wait times and fares being up significantly.

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Show Highlights

3:00 – KD asks JLee what the first electronic vehicle (EV) she’ll own will be. JLee’s husband wants the Tesla Model Y. Tim wants the Hummer EV Edition 1, but he might have to get it used.

8:00 – First topic: CEO and leadership clickbait! All HR people have seen a leader who will create a big email thread about an article they’ve become obsessed with.

10:00 – This is the CNBC article by Compass CEO Robert Reffkin about five quick tests for hiring. Some of these include the “good person,”, “energy,” and “another offer” test.  KD thinks it’s a hoot and representative of everything that’s wrong with leadership content.

12:30 – Tim thinks that Reffkin sounds like he’s trying to hire a grandmother with some of his rules. Do we really want everyone to live by the golden rule? And how do you freaking figure that out in an interview process?

14:30 – Reffkin discusses in the article how the term “culture fit” can be a disguise for discrimination, then proceeds to add ways he can hire whom he wants with his own, made-up principles.

18:00 – KD says the problem with “leadership porn” is when it gets passed down to the masses who maybe don’t have the experience or expertise to critically look at the lessons getting passed down.

20:30 – Don’t try to match your navy’s folks!

21:30 – Time for the CHRO move of the week! Snap (formally known as Snapchat) hired Darcy Henry as their new CHRO. She was poached from Amazon.

24:00 – If you want an entry-level HR job, try recruiting!

27:00 – Driver shortages are really crushing the ride-share companies like Uber and Lyft as reported by The Verge. KD reports that rid-sharing companies are adding their own stimulus program by way of signing bonuses for drivers.

29:00 – JLee reports that Peter Cappelli says that companies need to stop complaining about the labor shortages because they “broke trust” with workers in his new article. KD acknowledges that JLee is simply reporting what he said, then mocks Cappelli for blaming companies for eroding trust because they had to cut payroll or go out of business because of a global pandemic.

31:30 – Tim says that once the stimulus ends in September, hiring is not going to get magically easier and it’ll still be hard to hire hourly workers.

Apple Fires New Hire Based on Employee Petition

On episode 64 of The HR Famous Podcast, longtime HR leaders (and friends) Tim SackettKris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Apple’s firing of a new employee based on an employee petition. Also: cursing in the workplace.

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Show Highlights

1:30 – The whole gang’s back together again!

3:30 – KD is on the recruiting trail for recruiters! He’s learned a lot about the current market, and he says the biggest thing he’s learned is that a lot of recruiters viable recruiting jobs aren’t really that into the world of recruiting.  Many don’t work to create their own professional network, which means they’re just farmers, relying on direct applies.

6:00 – Tim thinks that there isn’t that big of a difference between a recruiter with some experience and a recruiter with a ton of experience that may be getting paid a ton more.

8:20 – When is it OK to swear at work? Shoutout to friend of the pod, Suzanne Lucas, for writing this piece for Inc. about when is it acceptable to drop some F-bombs in the workplace.

10:00 – BTS: KD wouldn’t run Tim’s episode of Best Hire Ever because he swore too much.

12:30 – JLee shares that when Marriott was vetting Tim to come speak, one of the lawyers said that Tim had to watch his cursing.

13:30 – Back in the day, Tim auditioned to do a “kitchen nightmares” type show, but for fixing businesses. The feedback he got was that he needed to curse more.

18:00 – Next topic: Apple terminated Antonio Garcia Martinez, author of Chaos Monkeys, a very successful book. He was fired from a paragraph in his book that some Apple employees found to be misogynist.

22:00 – Tim asks the question, “Do platforms like Slack and Teams give people an opportunity to speak online in ways that they wouldn’t speak in person?”

26:00 – KD thinks that the burden has never been lower and is easy to pile on. KD has read the book and talks about the fact that the book is written in a form of persona by the author. Also, Apple hired AGM even though he wrote a tell-all book on Facebook, which is interesting.

29:00 – KD says that Apple will likely settle with the author for $10 to $15 million, based on the fact they knew about the book, had talked to references about the book, and AGM is now unemployable in tech based on Apple’s actions.

Does “Motherhood” belong on your resume? #HRFamous

On episode 63 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Motherhood On The Resume (MOTR), time off from working, and how being a parent raises your levels of empathy. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 – JLee was out last week because she was vacationing in a tiny house! She wasn’t the biggest fan of it…

4:00 – Have you ever seen anyone put being a parent as an experience on a resume? Tim has seen it a few times for people coming back to work after taking an extended break away to raise a family.

5:30 – There is a new movement to “add mother to your resume” in hopes to destigmatize the duty of being a mother in a workplace environment. 

7:00 – Are you okay with your kids’ calling you by your first name? Tim’s son calls his wife by a nickname that is similar to her first name and she’s alright with that but Jessica thinks it would be weird if her kids’ called her by her name. 

10:00 – Tim thinks that there are going to be lovers and haters regardless if you make a decision like putting “parenthood” on your resume. He says go do it if you want!

14:00 – MOTR: Motherhood On The Resume! Check it out here!

15:00 – JLee came across a viral LinkedIn post about getting asked ‘what you have been doing to occupy your time’ after being laid off. 

16:45 – Tim thinks that it’s a valid question to be asked from a TA perspective because you never know what could be going on in that person’s life, even if it’s in the middle of a recession/pandemic. 

21:00 – JLee asks Tim what’s the longest gap where you’re feeling extra weary. He says he only gives executive employees 12 months of a break on their resume before he gets curious.

24:00 – JLee mentions that empathy training for recruiters and TA pros could be really helpful in order to get honest answers from candidates. 

28:00 – JLee and Tim both note how parenthood has made them more empathetic in job interviews and recruiting settings. 

32:00 – Thanks to JLee and Tim for shouting out my (hi, this is Cam!) first BuzzFeed article. You can check it out here!

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Should we be forcing vaccinations at work? #HRFamous

On episode 61 of The HR Famous Podcast, longtime HR leaders (and friends) Tim SackettKris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Clubhouse, how to get people to get the Covid vaccine, and what remote vs. hybrid work will look like.

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Show Highlights

1:45 – Are you on Clubhouse? JLee recently deleted the app from her phone. Tim really wasn’t a fan of the platform either.

5:40 – Tim notes that Clubhouse is good for these “shop talks” that you would be having at a conference or other places in person in the pre-pandemic world.

9:00 – Next topic: Covid vaccinations. JLee asks how much we should be encouraging it in the workplace. KD says we should absolutely be encouraging it to get to a post-pandemic world.

12:30 – JLee asks, “Who should be the voice of encouraging vaccines at your company?” Should it be the CEO or someone who maybe is lower down the corporate ladder?

15:00 – Tim mentions a corporate tax rebate that can be given so workers have PTO to go and get the vaccine.

18:30 – JLee gives Tim a great marketing strategy to get people to get vaccinated. She said to take the “we can hug again if you get vaccinated” angle!

22:00 – Is hybrid work the same as virtual work? JLee does not think so and she worries this is going to be a cluster.

25:00 – KD mentions how everyone he has talked to has said that the commute is a huge concern for people going back to work. Tim says his commute has gotten significantly easier and he doesn’t think it will ever get bad again.

29:30 – KD thinks the next big thing for “informal meeting time” is a phone call, not a Zoom call, so people don’t feel the pressure to prepare themselves for the call.

34:30 – JLee is a beef jerky eater and she’s found that many women do not snack on that. She asks KD and Tim if their wives snack on beef jerky, and they both do not. Tim and KD are fans though!

36:40 – JLee is a fan of Two Chicks beef jerky (a woman-owned brand!).

Career Rules They Don’t Teach You in College! #HRFamous

On episode 60 of The HR Famous Podcast, longtime HR leaders (and friends) Tim SackettKris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together to discuss vacations in St. George, Utah, the crew’s favorite career rules, and an update on hourly hiring in the U.S.

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Show Highlights

3:30 – KD recently visited Tim in Utah. During their time there, they found out that KD might have a fear of heights.

5:00 – Tim’s wife (and son) are obsessed with the soda shops that are big all over Utah, especially Swig. All they serve at the small shops are soda with a million different combinations and cookies. KD doesn’t understand the hype.

9:00 – Tim and KD learned they vacation well together!

12:30 –  Since it’s graduation time, the crew shares their favorite “career rules.” Tim’s favorites are “don’t leave a job until you have a job” and “the one-year rule” for career hoppers.

13:45 – JLee’s career rule involves not giving a large window between the job offer and start date.

17:00 – KD thinks that a three-week buffer between job offer and start date is perfect. Tim thinks maybe four would be better.

18:00 – KD’s rule is “the most important thing is to take care of is your boss.”

21:20 – JLee has recently come around on Tim’s “12-months at a job” rule. She recently read something that has said that maybe certain employees are just in high demand and they’re not really job-hoppers.

24:30 – Tim asks JLee how many one-year stints in a row is too many. She thinks more than two of them in succession is a little worrisome.

25:40 – TA leaders are talking a lot about how hard it is right now to hire hourly workers. JLee says this is a very hot topic at Marriott.

30:00 – KD notes that hourly hiring even in more white-collar spaces is difficult. Companies will need to pull out all the stops to keep their employees around.

What Happens When an HR Pro Gets Harassed at Work?

On episode 58 of The HR Famous Podcast, longtime HR leaders (and friends) Tim SackettKris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together to discuss what happens when HR pros get harassed in the workplace. JLee shares her story of being harassed at work as an HR pro, the process that followed, and then discusses the situation and process with KD and Tim.

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Show Highlights

1:30 – Tim got his first Covid vaccine. He’s the first of the crew to get it! He got it at an old Sears!

5:00 – First topic of the day: JLee shares her story about being sexually harassed at work.

12:30 – Tim asks JLee what percentage of women have experienced harassment in the workplace. She says well over 50%.

15:00 – KD asks JLee what happened after she reported the harassment. JLee asked HR not to do anything about it and she confronted the harasser herself.

19:40 – JLee says that she felt like she needed to handle it herself because she was a strong female leader. She also notes that she didn’t have confidence in the HR employees to handle it effectively.

21:50 – Tim asks JLee if she thinks what this person did was a fireable offense. She says that from her HR perspective, it seems like this employee shouldn’t be working there because of the repeated offenses.

23:00 – KD says that he misses employee investigations. JLee doesn’t miss them, and Tim doesn’t miss the lose-lose investigations.

26:30 – JLee says that her boss at the time was very protective of her and she worried that the boss was going to do something if she didn’t handle it herself.

30:20 – KD asks JLee if she thinks other global cultures have caught up with workplace behavior and treatment. She thinks that some pockets of the world are more progressive than others, but overall they have not caught up.

33:00 – Tim mentions how as a society, we’ve started the practice of guilting companies into doing the right thing. He mentions the example of disparities in the NCAA March Madness tournament with the men’s teams and women’s teams.

40:00 – JLee remembers that she has all of the email correspondences of her dealings with her sexual harassment. She’s an A+ HR employee!

Zoom-free Fridays and if You Want to Work for Biden, Stop Smoking Pot! #HRFamous

On episode 56 of The HR Famous Podcast, longtime HR leaders (and friends) Tim SackettKris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together again to discuss Gen-X references, Zoom-free Fridays, and White House staffers getting fired for marijuana use.

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Show Highlights:

3:30 – Do you get upset when your Millennial and Gen-Z references don’t get your Gen-X references?

7:00 – First topic of the pod: Citigroup CEO has called for Zoom-free Fridays and a new bank holiday due to pandemic fatigue. JLee says she’d rather have Zoom calls instead of regular conference calls.

10:00 – KD says that Friday is not the best day to do Zoom free because Friday is already light on meetings. KD wants Zoom-free Thursday. What day do you think is best?

13:40 – When Tim thinks no-meeting Fridays, he thinks “I’m going on vacation early” Fridays.

16:30 – A team in JLee’s office has a policy where if they do a traditional conference call, everyone on the team has to be doing something active during that call in order to promote wellness.

17:45 – Citi is doing a new holiday called “Citi Reset Day.” KD thinks that the new CEO is trying to win the approval of the bank’s employees.

19:30 – Next topic: A few White House staffers were fired due to their usage of marijuana. Tim thinks it’s a little ridiculous for the White House to have a never-done-drugs policy for employees.

24:00 –  JLee thinks it’s impractical from a hiring perspective to expect all of your employees to not have a history with marijuana, especially when it’s legal in many places in the U.S. now.

26:00 – KD thinks it’s OK for people serving in the White House not to have backgrounds or positive tests with pot, but that it was sloppy on the Biden administration for not being completely transparent and upfront with their employees.

29:00 – KD’s son wants to work for a defense contractor and he’s been told not to go abroad to get that security clearance. So he won’t go!

Can Being Vulnerable at Work Hurt Your Career? #HRFamous

In episode 55 of The HR Famous Podcast, longtime HR leaders (and friends) Tim SackettKris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together again to discuss big sisters, vulnerability in the workplace, and what the best question is to ask someone if you’re looking for negative information on a candidate.

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Show Highlights:

4:00 – JLee has two kids: an older daughter and a younger son. JLee’s daughter has got to set a good example for her brother!

5:00 – KD asks Tim what’s the worst injury his big sister inflicted on him. He tells a story about how she almost burned the house down!

7:30 – Next topic: vulnerability in the workplace! An article about Brene Brown’s stance on vulnerability came out in Inc.

11:00 – Tim thinks you have to draw the line when an employee comes to a manager and says they don’t think a person can fulfill their duties.

14:40 – KD thinks some people will use certain talk points and be more vulnerable than they actually should be.

16:30 – JLee likes Brene Brown’s points on vulnerability guard rails and how there is a need for boundaries in this regard.

18:00 – What are some things that cross the boundaries of workplace vulnerability? JLee thinks it’s best, to be honest about what’s going on especially while working from home.

21:55 – “In hard times you can’t ignore hard times.” — Tim

24:00 – Tim mentions that his wife knows he’s off before he knows he’s off. He asks the crew if it’s the same with their spouses.

27:00 – How do we best extract negative information from candidates? KD asks JLee what the best question to net negative info when interviewing candidates.

Who will win the Chicken Sandwich War? And why is #HRFamous Talking About this!?

On episode 54 of the HR Famous Podcast, longtime HR leaders (and friends) Tim SackettKris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together again to discuss the chicken sandwich wars, 2021 compensation trends, and Meghan Markle calling the royal family’s HR department.

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Show Highlights:

3:30 – Is the Ford Pinto making a comeback?

5:30 – Who has been keeping up with the chicken sandwich wars? McDonald’s has entered the race against Chick-fil-A and Popeye’s to see who has the best-fried chicken sandwich. Who do you think is going to win the war?

8:30 – JLee wants to enter Wendy’s Spicy Chicken Sandwich into the race for best fast-food chicken sandwich. Tim thinks it’s a solid entry.

11:30 – KD asked JLee when was the last time that she taught her kids a life lesson? She’s just trying to teach her young children to put their dirty clothes in the hamper.

15:20 – Next topic of the pod: compensation. An article came out recently about the trends of compensation and pay in 2021 and what employees think will happen.

17:00 – JLee thinks that those companies that haven’t made a statement about geographic locations and compensation leave it open for them to call all employees back to the office eventually. She thinks that WFH is not really here to stay.

21:30 – The article reported that only 83% of respondent’s spouses know how much they make. Tim thinks that number is very low.

27:45 – Tim asks the crew what job Prince Harry would do best at. JLee thinks he’ll take an entrepreneurial route in the mental health space. KD thinks he’ll be a host at a mid-tier steakhouse in the burbs. Tim will hire Harry to be a recruiter because Americans love a British accent.

30:45 – KD watched some of Netflix’s The Crown. KD thinks that the situations in The Crown and the people being portrayed are very inconsequential in the terms of history.

32:15 – One of the big takeaways from the Meghan Markle/Prince Harry and Oprah interview is that Meghan went to the royal family’s HR department to receive mental health help.

36:00 – Tim recently had his 100th Peloton ride. JLee joined him for his century club ride and helped him reach his record. They ended up tying! Accidentally, his son Cameron did his 100th ride. Sorry Dad!